“Number the bishops from the see of Peter itself. And in that order of Fathers see who succeeded whom, That is the rock against which the gates of hell do not prevail.”
Psalmus contra partem Donati, 18 (A.D. 393),GCC 51
“Let us not listen to those who deny that the Church of God is able to forgive all sins. They are wretched indeed, because they do not recognize in Peter the rock and they refuse to believe that the keys of heaven, lost from their own hands, have been given to the Church.”
Christian Combat, 31:33(A.D. 397), in JUR,3:51
“For if the lineal succession of bishops is to be taken into account, with how much more certainty and benefit to the Church do we reckon back till we reach Peter himself, to whom, as bearing in a figure the whole Church, the Lord said: ‘Upon this rock will I build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it !’ The successor of Peter was Linus, and his successors in unbroken continuity were these: -- Clement, Anacletus, Evaristus, Alexander, Sixtus, Telesphorus, Iginus, Anicetus, Pius, Soter, Eleutherius, Victor, Zephirinus, Calixtus, Urbanus, Pontianus, Antherus, Fabianus, Cornelius, Lucius, Stephanus, Xystus, Dionysius, Felix, Eutychianus, Gaius, Marcellinus, Marcellus, Eusebius, Miltiades, Sylvester, Marcus, Julius, Liberius, Damasus, and Siricius, whose successor is the present Bishop Anastasius. In this order of succession no Donatist bishop is found. But, reversing the natural course of things, the Donatists sent to Rome from Africa an ordained bishop, who, putting himself at the head of a few Africans in the great metropolis, gave some notoriety to the name of ‘mountain men,’ or Cutzupits, by which they were known.”
To Generosus, Epistle 53:2(A.D. 400), in NPNF1,I:298
“When, therefore, He had said to His disciples, ‘Will ye also go away?” Peter, that Rock, answered with the voice of all, “Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.’ “
Homilies on John, Tract 11:5(A.D. 417), in NPNF1,VII:76
“And the Lord, to him to whom a little before He had said, ‘Blessed thou art, and upon this Rock I will build my Church,’ saith, ‘Go back behind, Satan, an offence thou art to Me.’ Why therefore ‘Satan’ is he, that a little before was ‘blessed,’ and a ‘Rock’ ?”
In Psalms, 56:14[PL 36, 656] (A.D. 418),in NPNF1,VIII:223
“Peter, who had confessed Him as the Son of God, and in that confession had been called the rock upon which the Church should be built.”
In Psalms, 69:4[PL 36, 869] (A.D. 418), in Butler, 251
“And if a Jew asks us why we do that, we sound from the rock, we say, This Peter did, this Paul did: from the midst of the rocks we give our voice. But that rock, Peter himself, that great mountain, when he prayed and saw that vision, was watered from above.”
In Psalms, 104:16(A.D. 418),in NPNF1,VIII:513
Now, that's just St. Augustine! If you would like to see even MORE evidence from other Early Church Fathers, many prior to St. Augustine - some from the East too, click here!
So, I repeat, the more we see non-Catholics embracing St. Augustine, on just about any topic, the more those who KNOW what he stood for have to laugh out loud! Actually, I hope that those seeking the Truth will honestly and objectively read MORE of St. Augustine! Let them see how Catholic he really was! One doesn't get named both a Saint and Doctor of the Catholic Faith by being a Protestant! So yes, cathmom5 was quite accurate in stating that St. Augustine did NOT rely upon Scripture Alone (sola scriptura) to hear the Voice of God. As cathmom5 quoted:
For not only all the prophesies contained in words, not only all the precepts for the conduct of life which shape men's character and their piety and are contained in the Scriptures, but also the ceremonies, the sacred rites, the festal days, and everything which concerned with the homage due to God (the Greeks call it latreia) - all these were symbols and predictions that find their fulfilment in Christ, so as to give eternal life to those who believe. We believe that they have been fulfilled; we observe that they are being fulfilled; we are convinced that they will go on being fulfilled.
St. Augustine was not saying these "other means" besides Scripture were things of the past, but "that they will go on being fulfilled." A few (prior to the SS discussion moving to the papacy) were asking how cathmom5's quote related to SS, and I trust this will provide the answer to them. I'm not saying they will AGREE with cathmom5, but from HER background as a sola scripturist, it most certainly applies to at least that variant of sola scriptura.
Now, about whining about "rabbit trails," why is it that Mr. Swan claims he refuses to follow such "trails" - but then goes and creates them himself? Is that not a tad hypocritical? He has, several times, complained when I have linked responses back to my blog (typically because my response has become too in-depth for a "combox" response and merits a full blog entry). It almost seems as if he is worried about increasing traffic to blogs other than his own. Is he worried that some might actually read objectively and be swayed from Calvinism? I have no worries of people following links from my blog to his (or others) for I believe if one is truly and objectively seeking the Truth, they WILL find it - and if they're NOT being objective, it doesn't really matter which blogs or articles they read. I would encourage Mr. Swan to learn to share, and share alike in the blogosphere - and when following a "trail" is as simple as clicking on a link, just do it and stop making excuses which only make it appear he's afraid of something and wants to stay in the security of his own "rabbit hole."