Sunday, February 05, 2012

James White on John 6 Open Challenge

In a discussion at BeggarsAll the subject of a Purgatory Debate between James White and Tim Staples came up.  So I looked for the debate.  It turns out it wasn't an all-out formal "debate" - but Staples was a guest on White's "Dividing Line" webcast last year (which will now cost you $1.50 to hear it!)  Similarly, I was on White's program eleven years ago and while it used to be free, it will now cost you $2.25 to hear it.  When it was free, I also made a copy available on my site - for free - I'll see if I can still offer that.  Anyway, what struck me was the opening comment on White's blog concerning the alleged Purgatory debate:
Don't hold your breath for the invitation for me to be on Catholic Answers Live to discuss, oh, "Does John 6 Teach the Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Eucharist," (I'd do it in a heartbeat), but today we had Tim Staples on the program for 90 minutes to debate 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 and the doctrine of purgatory.
http://aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3749
Wait!  "Does John 6 Teach the Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Eucharist" was SUPPOSED to be the topic of my "debate" or "appearance" on his webcast!  THAT was the topic I was prepared to discuss!  My debate skills, however, were not keen enough to bring him back to the subject I THOUGHT we were to be discussing - and he took us down a path of Calvinism and "Who Is Drawn?"  I have a few responses to THAT question, and even during that program from January 13, 2001 - while I would not say I "won" that debate, I believe, even unprepared to discuss White's agenda, I held my own against him - and have offered him questions on the subject which remain unanswered.  In the "post debate/discussion" I believe I have "won" (especially since White has not responded to the post debate/discussion, and in debate silence lends itself to consent), but you can judge for yourself here:
Open Challenge to James White:   
"Does John 6 Teach the Roman Catholic Doctrine of the Eucharist?"  
You said you do that "in a heartbeat" for Catholic Answers, well how about me?  However, instead of on your turf (your program, and live debate where I am among the first to admit, you're good, even VERY good at live debate), I propose a WRITTEN debate, and we can conduct the 'Cross-Examination" phase live - either in yours or my IRC chat channel - or even on your Dividing Line webcast.  In the written medium the playing field is a bit more leveled, but I will consent to PART of this debate being "live."  How about it James?  (I'm not holding my breath).

Scott<<<
 

4 comments:

  1. I think the whole "who is drawn?" debate is easily settled by noting the verb tense of the terms. Since many of the key parts are in the present-tense, this indicates the action is taking place in 'real-time' and avoids any fallacies drawn (no pun intended) by incorrect appeal to the past tense.

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  2. But in this chaplets, "who is drawn" is immaterial. That was the 2001 discussion.

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  3. Silly auto-correct... the previous comment should read, "But in this chapter, 'who is drawn' is immaterial."

    However, I DO discuss this in the following post:

    http://cathapol.blogspot.com/2012/02/many-are-called.html

    I would be happy to continue the "who is drawn" discussion with you there.

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  4. It's going on four years now, and still no response from White. I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath!

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